BIG BROTHER

Get this, I JUST posted a comment here in the site regarding Tool Refunds. I addressed Upline in the comment as I have a feeling they are keeping tabs on me here. Well I told them in the post to pretty much take heed to my Request for a tool refund and LOW AND BEHOLD look what was in my email box, A LETTER FROM UPLINE REGARDING THE TOOLS. Here is the letter with names and addresses omitted

Dear NSAIBO,

Please send all copies of paid checks (front and back) as well as paid invoices for any tools purchased after September 25, 2002, (or 180 days from the day of your official request). Please send by certified mail, return receipt requested, copies of the checks and receipts to our home at *Address omitted*, so that we may be sure to receive your correspondence.

Thank you,

*Upline*

Spring FEVER

Good Morning all!!! Spring has sprung and all is green and colorful around here!! My kitty is rather enjoying the splendor of the country hillsides of which we live around. He is also falling madly in love with us as he has been bringing us gifts for a week now. His gifts include, 2 baby moles, 2 baby squirrels, 1 baby rat, 1 baby mouse, and 2 baby rabbits. As I sit on my deck in the morning watching the world come to life I sip my coffee (FOLGERS) and think how blessed we truly are to be a part of this wonderful world. I also think that across the world people are not waking up as they have had no sleep, and they are not watching a world come to life but watching it slowly become more bleak. There is no green or color only smoke and desert. These men and women are sacrificing a lot for us, and we appreciate them all!! We support our troops and cant wait to welcome them back home!!!! Please pray for a safe return soon!!!

WHAT? YOU LOVE ME NOT???

HATE MAIL! I LOVE IT!!! Maybe I will start posting the "hate mail" I get LOL. I have only gotten 2 letters, oddly enough I kinda feel like its my upline emailing me about this site saying things like " Enjoy your site, because it will have to come down soon" etc. How funny....

SHOW ME THE MONEY

I need to post this and see what you guys have to say. I sent a letter to Quix, IBOAI board, and all of my Upline requesting a refund on all tools bought in the past 180 days. Now I read in the BSMAA that I can do that, and that if requested, the upline who sold them to me is supposed to contact me and we are to work out some kind of equally agreeable settlement. I have to provide proof of purchase and return the tools, to the upline that buys them back. Quix emailed me and said yes thats how it works. Now, here is why I am requesting this refund. 1st of all I was always sent "extra" sets of tools each week that I did not order, so I have QUITE a collection of doubles. 2nd I wanted to see if Upline would uphold the BSMAA agreement and give me the refund that I am supposed to get. I have gotten no response to date from anyone other than Quix about this matter. I emailed about 2 weeks ago, I sent another email and attached Quix's response to Upline, still no answer. Has anyone out there ever heard of anyone getting a refund on the tools? Did you know that you could request one and are supposed to get it? It may not be a "full" refund of what you paid, but there is to be a refund that is agreed upon by all parties. How should I pursue this? I dont want to just "let it go" as I dont need these tools anymore and again I am only returning the unopened doubles that I never ordered to begin with. I paid full price for them and have reciepts and bank statements to prove this, according to Quix, I am entitled. Where do I go from here? Also another thing, Did any of you give your Upline signed blank checks for your tools? We are taught that in my line of sponsorship, infact I had a few IBO's who gave me signed blank checks so that when their tools came in I just made the check out myself and deposited it into my business account. Looking back Im like Why did I do that?? Not in any other situation would I ever have done that, infact I had an IBO who's spouse, upon hearing that she had given me signed blank checks, said "get them back". Now this spouse knew me well and Im sure trusted me fully but again, thats just not something you do. My upline was out of town so they talked me into it by saying how much more convienient it would be, and it was it worked well for the most part. By the way, Upline DID return the check book immediatly when I requested it back a few months ago, no checks missing, no problems. Any thoughts????

WAR

So what do you guys think the war's effects on the economy are gonna do for MLM??? I mean I realize that people have to to buy certain products and the majority will continue with their routines, but I cant help but feel there are going to be some losses. Why do I say that? Well my hubby is currently an out of work Aircraft Maintenance Mechanic who is employed with a food distribution company..well, I can say the name LOL Schwan's . He has records of routes that have been kept up for several years and during Sept 11 the sales dramatically dropped, reducing employees commission checks, it has since then never really gotten back up to what it was. Now with all of this going on, he did a route that is usually good for AT LEAST 800.00 and only got 200.00, he struck up a conversation with one of the customers who decided not to buy this time and the man says this " Well we stocked up at the grocery and got some good deals, we just cant afford it right now, and right now we are watching every dime as we may have to be prepared for anything with all this mess going on in Iraq" Now, I have never been the one to go out and buy bottled water and can goods etc because a storm was coming or a war was looming, I just dont do that, but I understand that many do. Many people are so afraid that they have gas masks, plastic tarps, antibiotics etc IN THEIR HOMES !!!!! So when things like Sept 11 happen or like now, Does it affect YOUR sales in MLM??? Upline of course says no and blah blah blah, but hey Wasnt it the WHITE HOUSE who was FLIPPING out about receiving WHITE POWDER in the mail? What is SA8 ??? WHITE POWDER!!! Obvious humor there. Anyway, those are my thoughts for the day.

Random Thought

Okay..Nobody panic, but I think our blog is taking a new turn. Slowly but surely we are evolving into a smorgasborg of information. While we will never COMPLETELY deviate from our original purpose or goal (I guess you could call it), we are breaking up the monotony by posting things that do not necessarily deal with Quix. I feel this is a good thing and crucial to the survival of this blog. SO while you may read things that are TOTALLY not about MLM or Quix, that does not mean we are not still out to educate on those issues, it means that there are other things to talk about that people want to read. If new info surfaces on Quix please let us know, or any other MLM for that matter. Take advantage of the knowledge you will find here in our commenters, ask them if you have questions about any MLM. Otherwise until we have something worth bringing up, we may just bring up the first thing that comes to mind UH OH....that could get ugly!!!! LOL

Archives...

Hey dont forget to check out the Archives there are still some active posts there, I know its a hassle, scroll scroll scroll but its worth it right?..Read on and ENJOY....

IBO INCOME

I was visiting the QBLOGsite today and it brought up something for me. The loss of money. Now upline says that you have to expect any company to lose money in its first years, the tax breaks are great but even with the tax breaks how much do you lose? Well in my first year I have done the math and heres the RAW truth. I brought in a total of around 1700+ in bonus checks. I spent in excess of 9,500 on misc business expenses including hotels, food, tools, etc. My return was around 4,500 on the write offs, we got back more than that, but that was just for the write offs, so income can be reasonable figured at 6200 and that leaves us in the red for about 3,300. Thats a big loss for me. I guess spread out over the year it isnt so bad, thats what about 275 loss each month? Well if you go by the total debt of 9500 BEFORE the returns its about 792.00 each month that it cost us to operate the business. Now that DOES NOT include ordering, and I spent around 300 average each month on orders, so then you figure that through out last year I was dumping about a grand each month in to the business total. NO WONDER LAST YEAR SUCKED SO BAD FINANCIALLY!!! Anyway, the return like I said made up for some of that, but the numbers are not favorable at all!! Now if I am honest with people and let them see my experience, What do you think my sponsoring rate is gonna be? Now of course this is MY personal experience and others have had better MUCH better years and built differently etc, but what Im thinking is that if I can build this business WITHOUT tools etc, I might come out in the black at the end of the year..ya never know. Check back with me tax time next year and we will see!!! Wanna share your story? I know it is not encouraged to share this sort of information, but hey, Ive got nothing to hide!

I want your SEX

Oh my goodness LOL. I just got a HILARIOUS email. This is meant for laughs and thats it okay guys, there is no hidden message or agenda, ( well not for me anyway, not sure about the author LOL )

SEX SELLS!!!!!

Do you suppose that there is an underground MLM involving Porn or Sex? I mean Sex sells seemingly well and there is DEFINITLY money to be made online and otherwise using sex as the product. Do you think those soliciting emails you get are from distributors????

Now that my friends is comedy LOL!!! ( forgive me if we offended anyone by this post, I simply could not resist posting it LOL )

Legends.....

Theres an MLM born EVERYDAY.....Anyone ever heard of Legends???? Check it out


Legends

Who Owns it?

Okay I have a question for you that has come up for me before and has been posed to me again and I just dont know how to answer it or research it, not even sure I know what to think about it!!!

If a company is PRIVATELY HELD, what does that mean? If they claim to be DEBT FREE, what does that mean EXACTLY, and is there a possibility that the Yagers own part of Quixtar??? Here is how the question has been put to me "I want to know who owns Quixtar..is it OWNED & OPERATED solely by the VanAndel and DeVoss families or is it owned by a number of people, I am under the impression that when a company is listed as PRIVATELY HELD then it means they are "masking" the REAL owners, and just b/c someone is CEO or President or whatever that does not mean they OWN the company" Okay readers, let your knowledge flow!!

Quixtar Chatter

Interesting thoughts.....( well they are to me anyway LOL )

I was carrying on 2 conversations tonight at the same time through the technology of the internet and IM's....heres what came about.....I realize now that I have spent over a year learning the ins and outs of my "Teams" business but little to nothing about Quixtar....I was told to say in the plan that I represent "Qbiz" and not Quixtar, that Quixtar was an order fulfillment site and they handled the bookkeeping but that was it....well thats true, but they also handle the rules in which I can operate my business, they write the checks and set the rules under which I can "earn" that check. I broke most of Quixtar's rules unknowingly for a long while.....Well one of my IBO's says to me tonight regarding Quixtar's rules that they had asked Upline about them and upline's response is " alot of those rules are old and were put in place back in the AMWAY days and just dont apply today" that is basically the answer given not an exact quote....Ive heard that before....Ive bought that before.....I do not agree today.....Here is the reality we HAVE to face.....The rules may be old, they may be drawn out or TOO legal or TOO exaggerated but the fact remains that they are still rules, they are still posted, they are still printed and they are still recognized by the company and until the company takes the time to Update them or change them THEY ARE STILL LEGAL AND VALID TO YOUR BUSINESS TODAY AND YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM.....Havent you ever heard on the radio or else where even in emails about various State laws that are still in print that are just RIDICULOUS??? Well ridiculous they may be but until they are changed or amended to they are still law. Now does anyone take them seriously NO, do most abide by them NO...but here again DO MOST EVEN KNOW THEY EXIST? NO!!!!!! Now if you get married on thursday and wear shorts and have your 5th cousin as your best man and its raining, that could be against the law in your state, but would a judge punish you? Probably not....does that mean that the law is no longer a law? No. I feel like that if Quixtar decided to hold you to the agreements you signed as an IBO and find you in contempt of those rules there is a possibility you could be punished in some way. It may be that you just lose your IBO number and are barred from the Company but you paid a price. It pays to be informed it really really does, and if the rules say you cant do X but your team says "thats an old rule and really a ridiculous one put in place to protect them in court and really does not apply to you", then your team is asking you to BREAK THE RULES PERIOD, they are in DIRECT violation of the rules themselves by doing so. Just my thoughts. What do you think?

Let Me Make This Clear

Okay, I expected to come under fire for this at some point and now I have and I wish to address some of your concerns here in public so as not to have to repeat the answers over and over.....I am not turning this into a multiple MLM promotion site, I am not trying to "turn" others or anything of that nature at all. HOWEVER....unlike some web blogs, or pages out there, I do not really have any rules here.....people are free to talk about whatever they choose to and I will post what they have to say, if I get a question from someone I will do what I can to answer it or get it answered here.....These are all opinions and what we feel to be truths....We still encourage you to RESEARCH everything for yourself and PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT ANYTHING BASED ON WHAT YOU READ HERE!!!! As we all now know Bo Short an Ex Diamond IBO has started his own business, well I and many others have researched it and have questions, so those are being posted here and comments are being made here, that does not however mean that we are CONDONING this business or APPROVING it, we are simply making it known that there are other things out there that people want to know about and we are trying to help them with their research efforts....We do not CONDONE or APPROVE Quix either.....its not our place to, we dont have the credibility to and its not what we are about, we are PRO information and PRO OPEN DISCUSSION.....we are basically PRO CROSSLINING LOL!!!! Hope this clears some issues up, please email or post if you have further comments or questions!!! Thank you!

PRIVACY

I have to be careful to protect the identities of others who have not given me permission to post these things here, so it gets confusing trying to read what I write, I use terms like "they" when I am clearly referring to ONE Individual....but out of respect for others I choose not to disclose any names....bear with me....

TIF/More Vomit from Upline

Ok briefly I will post this Question.....What is Team In Focus??? Now, ...Some recent developments to share with ya.......I got an email recently from one of my downline....This particular IBO said "Im confused, I need some answers, I just talked to your sponsor, and they were "apologizing for you" and saying that you had been researching "negative" online information or have gone off course or something to this effect....NOW....I just kinda went through the schpeel of "I just feel that we should be more aware of what Quix's rules are and the rules regarding tools etc" and went on to tell this IBO where they could research this themselves so as to gain their own opinions and knowledge....Well as it was with me, This person was SHOCKED to say the least about what they read....So they called me back and we discussed a little further, I was very clear that I didnt want to have any INFLUENCE over this person or give them ANY RESPONSES or OPINIONS without them understanding that they are JUST what I know to be TRUE, its best to research themselves and ask questions of QUIXTAR. Well This particular IBO spoke today with our upline silver.....When they asked our Silver "whats going on with NSAIBO" ( FYI this question was a test of the Silvers Integrity, which they fell for ) the silver proceeded to basically slander me viciously in my opinion by saying that I have lied to them and other upline, I have lost all integrity with them and all upline, that I have researched material that is very negative and untrue, that what I am doing is "stealing downlines dreams" and blah blah blah....Well because I have never ever POISONED my downline with MY OPINIONS....This upline can now pat themselves on the back for being responsible for losing TOTAL credibility and respectability and integrity from this IBO ( the one in my downline, clearly they lost mine LONG AGO)....All because they felt the need to bash me for wanting more information....Talk about "shooting yourself in the foot"!!! The uplines were so quick to ASSUME that I was spreading gossip and websites and information and opinions downline that they ended up acting without thinking and "corralled the horses" by trying to tear down me as a person and to discredit me and make others not want to have dealings with me....they say " go to the upline that you see at the functions, go to the uplines that are winning" Well by golly I AM TOTALLY WINNING if you ask me!!! I am more FREE now than I was last year as a system slave!!!!!!! END SOAPBOX RANTS!!!

Economy

Okay I am not a very political person but I do see that war is on the horizon, or so it seems.....This is something I take a personal interest in as I am married to a Vet myself, and having very close friends and family that are still in the Armed Forces....We pray for them and their families.....Now, I am hearing all kinds of stuff about the economy and the effect this situation over in IRAQ is going to have on it.....As some have said, they feel "the Companys" prices are already over inflated, I wonder what this is going to do to IBO's? I know several IBO's who are marketing the vacation packages, well if all goes as it has in the past, travel can be expected to decline....what will that do to their retailing efforts? Just some thoughts.....I have had several emails asking what it is exactly that I am retailing....Well at this time I am retailing mostly Trim Advantage Protien bars, Carb Blocker2, and the XS energy drink....why? Well because there is a fad here in my are growing with the Atkins Diet and diets period, so it has proven to sell well here, However I am not making HUGE profits as I do not charge full retail for the products, I cant, However, I do charge more than IBO cost, I usually find a price somewhere in the middle, but I have to pay shipping so I try to only order when I have several orders in....I only have around 4 members/clients who are ordering on their own, this is where most of my profit comes in, but again, were not talking big bucks, I certainly could not "retire" or scour the "beaches of the world" on this income!!

Why Should I Register?

I just have to say that I am very pleased to be getting the great comments and emails. I agree with "Citizen" that people are becoming ever aware of the pitfalls of MLM....That being said, I do believe that you can make it in one of these, however I could never recommend which one, that is a personal choice. I am now deciding that you should never make it an emotional decision or allow it to get your emotions going, you should not "join" to BE RICH, RETIRE, Or BE FREE or whatever.....Do it for fun, research research research, do it cheap, and dont lose yourself in it. You may make some extra cash, it will be a great write off at the end of the year, but anything above that, Im not so sure.....At this point I straddle the PRO/CON fence...being that I am an ACTIVE IBO...Im obviously getting something out of it, at times Im not sure what, but there comes in the "con" feelings....Anyway, welcome to our blog all, please be as vocal as you like....Your comments, questions, concerns, rants, raves whatever are greatly respected and appreciated and will be answered promptly!!!! *I am no longer an Active IBO*

The Rules Of A Quixtar Site

Recent research has uncovered the following both founded and unfounded information about developing a PHP regarding Quix. 1. According the company you cannot use their name in your URL, You cannot link to other sites that are not Quix approved, You cannot promote products or recruit new members, clients or IBO's, you cannot sale BSM's.
2. I have heard through reliable and not sure if they are reliable sources that Quix CANNOT shut your site down, however they can revoke your number for up to 6 months if you are found to be in breech. I guess you could be thrown out of the company as an IBO but NO ONE can SHUT DOWN your site. Oh yeah and the company says you cannot have Meta Tags. Here is the question that comes to mind....With all the websites out there both Pro and Con that havent been shut down, what makes me think mine will? Well I dont think mine will, I may lose my number but I wont lose my site! Again, I have no probs with Quix, I love the business and the products and enjoy being a Quix affiliated IBO, I also wish to comply with their rules, I do not however feel it neccessary to follow "Team" rules that are not in writing and I havent signed any contract for, I value their opinions and I listen to what they have to say, but its ultimately my choice as to how I run My INDEPENDANT business, so long as I comply with Quix rules.

Plain and Simple

I have said so before I will say again, I am not a disgruntled IBO or a frustrated one or a bitter one, I am just an informed one who plans to stay informed and chooses to get information from sources other than Upline. Well when I say that I hear " so your reading crap on the internet" I guess I am, but I am filtering what I read, most of my information is coming from The company themselves and I am simply passing it on.....I am appalled at how differently my questions get answered by them and by Upline, the answers dont match, so , I figure it this way, The Company pays my checks so I am gonna follow their rules, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.....Im not quitting and I have faith that people can and will and HAVE succeeded at this, but its much harder to do when you are playing by the rules, and Im cool with that!!!

*I have since quit the business*

Where is Rykel now????

We would like to welcome Asia, Singapore, Sweden , Germany, Africa, and Canada to the site!!!

PRO OR ANTI?????

I feel it needs to be said again that WE ARE NOT ANTI QUIX OR ANY OTHER MLM WE ARE NOT NEGATIVE OR BITTER OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS TYPICALLY SAID OF SOMEONE WHO SEEKS INFORMATION........We are however STAUNCHLY against "TEAMS", "SYSTEMS", and the way they are run.......Are the tools useful, well they can be to different people, are they informative, yes but unfounded, are they positive and uplifting, sure! Do we make money on them, Well we personally no but our upline is yachting around the world from them and veheminatly denies that FACT......We are just searching for answers and truths that we cant for one reason or another get from upline, and we have all sorts of opinions and reasons for that,,bottom line, this site is not to harm anyone or influence anyone to make any testimony whatsoever......Its a release of sorts for us and a way to vent....thats it pure and simple thats it...Upline says to you Not to spend your time getting "bogged" down in "tool" issues or what you have "read" or heard or whatever, instead go out and build a business, dont look for answers look for responses.....yeah well Im not okay with that! However let it be said that I am still actively pursuing my Independant Business and ordering products that I happen to like and want to use, ( I dont buy most of the higher volume items that are recommended however for personal reasons, such as my bank says DECLINED if I try to LOL ) But anyway, Im not bitter, and have no ill will toward Quix....Upline....well thats a different story all together.......and I am allowed to have my own opinion....some people really like and borderline Idolize those people, More power to them, I simply have chosen to BE and INDEPENDANT business owner....

Article of Interest

Okay I am pretty much rocked by an article I found....please take a moment to check it out. Its worth the read and raises some VERY important questions that I didnt have before, but have now.....Rip Offs

Wanna Link Up?

Hello all, as you can see we have made some more changes, we have now added links so feel free to submit your site to be linked and hey LINK US TO YOU!!!!!! Not that I am soliciting exposure or anything I would never do that, ( spoken like a true Am/Quix distributor huh LOL )

Those other guys

Heres an observation I have made about other websites relating to the MLM programs out there, I have found that most will viciously attack you if you make a positive comment about whatever company you are either involved in or thinking of getting involved in, let me just say that it wont happen here, well at least not from me. Obviously I cannot control what others have to say, nor do I want to, and I understand that there is seldom middle ground, some one is either anti or pro. Again just use your good judgement and please RESEARCH everything, and if someone tells you that a particular form of "research" is not going to get you anywhere or that its not going to produce factual answers, inform them that the statement they have just made is not factual, its opinion based PERIOD. Its REALLY hard to dig through all the opinions and get to the facts and it takes some time, but be ever vigilent in your quest for knowledge, and dont set out to find whats wrong, dont set out to find justification for what you are doing, set out to become well informed

Linkin Park

Hello all. Just came across a song that can kinda sum up some of my feelings right now concerning my personal "upline" problems.........its by Linkin Park its called Runaway
Graffiti decorations underneath a sky of dust a constant wave of tension on top of broken trust. the lessons you taught me, I learned were never true, now i find myself in question ( they point the finger at me again ) guilty by association ( you point the finger at me again) paper bags and angry voices under a sky of dust another wave of tension has more than filled me up, all my talk of taking action these words were never true........I wanna runaway never say goodbye, I wanna know the truth instead of wondering why, I wanna know the answers no more lies I wanna shut the door and open up my mind gonna run away...........

Yeah its extreme.........but you know so were my feelings at first, I felt betrayed by people I was told to respect and trust before knowing them anyway, all in the name of the system and edification, now I find that these people are either just as mislead as me and are okay with it, or they arent worth my trust and respect.........whatever the case, I can do this business without the aide of tools and if that means I have to also do it without upline support..........I walk away with dignity in tact, pride, personal standards and personal ethics left in tact.......thats cool with me!!!

Promoting Your Business....

No flyers, business cards, or the like may be posted in public places, such as bulletin boards, telephone poles, etc

that is a rule of The Company's.....wonder how may "uplines" are aware of that, especially since you are encouraged to do just that!

more information from Upline

there are so many grey areas left to interpretation that one person could take the wording of something one way and the other could take it another way.
Now as far as Bo Short goes, Upline has some information on what he is doing now, he has made a lot of money in the business, he wanted to realign the bonus schedule or something like that and the Co. didnt pass on it so he moved on into Stage coaching or something like that, it is supposed to be something like MLM but you need almost million to get in on it, so he is doing fine. But he made him self a landing before he jumped ship, in other words he moved straight into what he is doing now, he is in business with Stephen covey, yes that means that Bo Short went into the Self Improvement business, why because there is a lot of money to be earned in self improvement. And you know what is suspicious about the whole thing? Its like I knew that people made money from the system tools as a 100-pin level, and he just found out as a diamond, you would have thought that he would have known by then, I think there is more to him leaving than is being said. ( this is a letter I got from Upline Regarding Bo Short)

What? Upline's wrong?????

Here is an email I recieved regarding what Upline has told me about the MCVR Rule.

You are correct. It seems your upline may misunderstand how the MCVR rule
works. Your spouse and/or any under age children living at home cannot be clients or
members. Is the upline you are speaking with your sponsor? Have you talked to your
Platinum about the situation? We would recommend discussing this situation with the Platinum so they can clear up an misunderstandings in the group. If the Platinum is the one you have been consulting with please let me know and we will contact them.
I hope this information is helpful.
Deb
Business Conduct and Rules

FYI Yes my Platinum confirmed what Upline said, which clearly is not what the Company says.

Letter from Quixtar

The line of sponsorship is not authorized to use any literature or other
material unless it has been approved by the Corporation. Please consult
with your Platinum concerning the material.
If it has not been approved through our BSM (Business Support Materials
Department) it cannot be used.
If you have a list of the items I can send them through to see what has or
has not been approved.
Thank you
Deb
Business Conduct and Rules

Analyze This.....

Our Question:

Okay I was told by my upline that I "should not worry about what some
employee of the Co. says because when it comes down to it the only
thing that will hold water in court will be what is in writing and there is
alot of stuff in the Business Reference Guide that is very gray and kinda
left up to the person reading it for interpretation." Further more he said
this: "there are so many gray areas left to the interpretation that one
person could take the wording of something one way and the other could take
it another way" These are direct quotes.....Is this true?

Company's response:

Unfortunately the interpretation of the Rules of Conduct are not up to the
IBOs.
Please forward the name and IBO number of the upline you are communicating
with along with your initial question so we can clarify with your upline
the Corporations interpretation of the rule as well as the ramifications of
the violation of these rules.
Aimee it is also very important that you know that the signature verbiage
you have at the end of your emails as well as the site you have listed are
not authorized. I have attached basic advertising guidelines as well as
the specification for an approved IBO web site. The signature line is
considered advertising and is not authorized on the Internet.
Thank you,
Deb
Business Conduct and Rules
(See attached file: 17 - IBO Websites.pdf)(See attached file: QAdver
Guidelines.doc)

We Aint Hatin On Amway

Though we may appear to only be posting "negative" or "Anti" information, that is not the case, information is good and positive and no question is a dumb one, we just want answers

Passport

It seems as though there is no such thing as "crosslining" in Bo's new company, EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE SAME TRAINING AND MATERIALS and EVERYONE conducts business in the same way so there for it isnt an issue if you talk to other "members" THATS A PLUS IN OUR BOOK TOO!!!! Please REMEMBER these are our OPINIONS and all information should be researched and checked out personally and if you find something different or have an opinion on any of our "claims" or statements Please feel free to post these, we are not at all implying that our information is ABSOLUTELY Correct in any way, again these are our opinions and interpretations of our personal findings.

Passport An Early Review

Its very similar to Quixtar upon first glance. It has fewer products and the packaging of said products is not real flashy, they are "off brand" or not heard of brands ( thus far ) but are offered at EXTREMELY low prices when compared to Quixtar's prices of similar products. The product line is limited to things like hair care, skin care, and vitamins, again another similarity. Passport's application is much easier to read and understand and its cheaper to join in comparison to Quixtar. Heres a feature that really really makes a difference, the Passport site is TOTALLY accessable to the general public without any "passcode" or "referral number". Products have directions of use available when you click on the item, there is a shopping cart and they have a newsletter that goes out 4 times a year that ANYONE can subscribe to for free. They have "functions" or "seminars" which are put on by the company and paid for by the company there is no cost to you, There is one a year that you have to pay for IF you attend, and of course they want you to but make it clear that its OPTIONAL. They have alot of FREE materials to help you build your business and offer tools such as conference calls and personal mentoring as opposed to tapes and books. THEY DO HOWEVER have some mentoring products available for purchase, but there again its OPTIONAL and its not a "club" where you have to sign up to get them weekly or anything, you order what you want when you want and the prices again are very COMPETITIVE to those of the "tools" promoted by individuals in Quixtar groups. The "tools" available through Bo are made by his company and not some "outside" or seperate company, which is also a plus because then your dealing with the same set of rules mandated by ONE company not each individual "group" or seperate "company". *After reading over this review, its actually pretty similar to Quixtar on a smaller scale...Im sure its less toxic*

Your Not Your Best Customer

Okay I have it on reliable authority that Quixtar has said that in order to fulfill the 70% rule and to properly fulfill the MCVR you MUST be retailing in some way 50PV or 100 dollars worth of product. Your family members DO NOT under any circumstances ( unless they are REGISTERED Members or Clients) qualify as Members or Clients. Anything you retail on the side you must have a reciept for that is dated, has both the customers name, address, phone number and yours, it must list what you sold them, you do not however have to disclose how much you sold it for! GET THE FACTS!!! Write the company yourself and see what they say, we intend to do the same. Report misuse to Quixtar

More on Tools

Check this out concerning tools!!!Jhoagland

Help a girl out

If anyone knows of any other research sites or places that gather factual info on Quixtar and the like please share.....we are out to learn all we can, good, bad, ugly whatever. We are not just gathering Anti information and we are not just looking for Anti comments, please feel free to post comments on the pro's or con's any and all are greatly appreciated....NSAIBO

What were those numbers again?

Please check out this website.....BIGNEWS....I was given a downloadable plan by my UPLINE that has a page with "The Company's stats" on it....Well low and behold it says that accornding to Jan 20,2000 Neilsen report ratings we were #5 for millions of visits.....well I went to the Neilsen Website and checked it out for myself WRONG....WE WERE DEAD LAST!!!!!! I also went to PCData online to check out their "stats" for us since my Upline uses their numbers too, well PCDATA Online doesnt exist anymore!!! YOU BE THE JUDGE of what information you will and wont put out there, RESEARCH EVERYTHING!!!!!Nielsen Ratings

Im not Bitter

Well I have to say its very discouraging to not have the traffic yet that I expected to get, but then again I just started this site Friday, I am in the process of advertising my site and promoting to others with similar sites, so if you want to link me to your site, please feel free to do so. I realize I am in the infancy stage right now but I feel confident that my site will grow in popularity as it seems to be one of the VERY FEW up to date and current sites, while all the others have information that still rings true today, there are no new postings and some have no news since 1999, I have tried to contact some of the sites and the email addresses are wrong....Well mine is correct and its current, So please help me get up and running and spread the info....Thanks to all!!!!

A message from NSAIBO's spouse

From here on out you can just refer to me as NSAIBO2. In my opinion, for the most part, Quixtar and the "tools" have been good. Its just the way we are taught to "push" the tools by upline ( quixtar has never ever in anyway required the use of such materials). We deal with people about products. Not tools. How can someone living paycheck to paycheck, like most of us are, spend so much on tools and seminars and also purchase the products to get the PV that actually makes this business work. No PV/BV. No money. I strongly believe that this, as well as other networking business's can be built successfully with out pushing the system so strongly. Don't get me worng. I have learned alot through the tapes, books, and seminars. But if its not in my budget I will have to do it without. In our group, our "upline", is always saying if someone isn't plugged into the system it is a waste of time to try to work with them. I don't believe that. And I won't practice that or teach it to our "downline". If there is anyone who has built this business with out tools or if you know of someone who has done it feel free to give and advice. Thanks for your time and opinions. NSAIBO2 over and out.

Hello and Good Morning.....

Hello all and Good Morning...well its morning for me, I spent the evening on the phone with "upline" and even some downline, trying to explain why I am no longer going to participate in tools and even referred them DIRECTLY to the Quixtar website where they could view the information that I used to base my decision on....You should have heard them, it was kinda scary....It was almost as if they were "brainwashed", now let me say this, that is a HARSH way of putting it, and I myself have been a victim and a lover of the system for over a year, BUT I AM RECOVERING!!! I mean these are intelligent people who refuse to listen to reason, I guess Im just glad that I broke out of it!!! Hey for a good read check out Directly Speaking , or perhaps you are interested in the story about Bo Short, well it can also be found at this website AmQuix Very informative and so far I think its valid information and seems to be coming directly from literature from the Company, now I havent read EVERYTHING in the site and overall I think its an ANTI website...but I am gathering info from all sources now that I can see straight.